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the concept album was probably just a passion project idea.....I also don't think Epic would've stood behind it eitherThe concept album is also odd because it never would've charted well.
the concept album was probably just a passion project idea.....I also don't think Epic would've stood behind it eitherThe concept album is also odd because it never would've charted well.
I think Frank pushed for it to be included and Michael was supposedly shopping it to DJ's during the time to build anticipation but John debunked that story and also said the song was incomplete.I always found it very odd that Buffalo Bill was pulled from the final track listing. Frank DiLeo even mentions it in Rolling Stone just before the album was released.
Wasn’t it We Are Here To Change The World that he said that about?Per John Barnes, APOM was being worked on while Michael was in the hospital recovering from the Pepsi accident
He spoke about both songs but We Are Here was also being worked on but APOM was most likely completed earlier since he said it was finished by the end of Victory’s recordingWasn’t it We Are Here To Change The World that he said that about?
the recently leaked audio outtakes from michael’s memoir, revealed how he felt about the ‘victory’ tour, album, and his brothers. it wasn’t good, but not surprising..
what was surprising was that it contradicted what was said by the jackson brothers (minus jermaine) on their fan club vinyl in ‘83, right after motown 25. they were already planning the album and tour then. this was before the ‘thriller’ short. it’s worth noting that at point it was the longest gap between a jacksons/j5 album. skip to 4:18 for the announcement
The OP is talking about career and creative mistakes. Knock it off.Uhhh I think deciding to routinely pump himself with high powered hospital knockout drugs might have been a bigger mistake than making a bad album.
no.The OP is talking about career and creative mistakes. Knock it off.
I wonder if there is more footage of that day..I guess "Another Part of Me"'s were already recorded, since you only see MJ singing "We Are Here to Change the World" there.
The saddest thing is there is probably full footage and more though we will never see it , but a part of me thinks why should we? If it was anyone of us we would like to record things for our own memories. MJ was human.I wonder if there is more footage of that day..
Is it a home video?The saddest thing is there is probably full footage and more though we will never see it , but a part of me thinks why should we? If it was anyone of us we would like to record things for our own memories. MJ was human.
I think the footage isn't from the actual recording. It looks like it was recorded specifically for the making of ceo.I guess "Another Part of Me"'s were already recorded, since you only see MJ singing "We Are Here to Change the World" there.
I think the footage isn't from the actual recording. It looks like it was recorded specifically for the making of ceo.
It's possible they did recreate it for the visual purposesClearly it's footage of MJ working on the songs for the movie. They wouldn't fake a recording session for promoting a movie
It's possible they did recreate it for the visual purposes
if we’re talking about him talking to engineers during the snippet of APOM, he was more than likely tweaking the production. APOM was finished during the last leg of recording Victory. The EO mix is different from the BAD mix which is more than likely different from the 84 mixthat's silly. he's talking to his engineer and everything about the song
whether or not he was really recording WAHTCTW in the EO BTS clipWhat are we yapping about again
Why wouldn't he be?whether or not he was really recording WAHTCTW in the EO BTS clip
it challenges the notion that the album/tour was done to capitalise on the popularity of ‘thriller’, when they were already in development in early ‘83. the fact that michael was the one who announced it shows that he was already on board, and didn’t need convincing from his mother ( as it was depicted in two biopics). I guess that no one expected ‘thriller’ to be so huge that the era would extend beyond two years.this was just an early announcement to Victory, which was supposed to be released in 1983 with the tour starting that same year. Victory and Michael's 1983 solo album was pushed back due to the massive success of Thriller
From Michaels tape, he mentioned being upset because his brother would say they will help but he ends up doing everything by himself.
An American Dream depicts Joseph approaching the brothers after their M25 performance with the album/tour/Pepsi deal and this interview was recorded a little after M25. Still conflicts because Michael said in the interview they already had 15 songs......but still take into consideration Victory wasn't worked on as a group, but just solo material brought in.it challenges the notion that the album/tour was done to capitalise on the popularity of ‘thriller’, when they were already in development in early ‘83. the fact that michael was the one who announced it shows that he was already on board, and didn’t need convincing from his mother ( as it was depicted in two biopics). I guess that no one expected ‘thriller’ to be so huge that the era would extend beyond two years.
I find it so wonderful and fascinating to still uncover information from this time period (my favourite)An American Dream depicts Joseph approaching the brothers after their M25 performance with the album/tour/Pepsi deal and this interview was recorded a little after M25. Still conflicts because Michael said in the interview they already had 15 songs......but still take into consideration Victory wasn't worked on as a group, but just solo material brought in.
This could also be a play on CBS' letter to Michael from January 1983 where they specify his contract states he is to deliver an album no later than April 2nd, 1983......the letter also stated he can release an album with his brothers to fulfill the agreement. This could be why he announced Victory so early
picture is blurry but this is the letter sent to Michael from CBS dated January 11th, 1983. Wording might be a little off in some parts but this is the breakdown of the letterI find it so wonderful and fascinating to still uncover information from this time period (my favourite)
I’m not aware of that cbs letter, but I suspect it was for a jacksons album. otherwise why they demand a new solo project only six months after the last? when the current one (‘thriller’) was still being promoted? wouldn’t they cancel each other out come awards season? it wasn’t like the motown days where michael and his brothers would release multiple albums a year, with sometimes only a single being lifted from each one.
I came across an archival article which claimed that a jacksons album was due for release in september 1983. it was the release of the singles ‘human nature’ and ‘p.y.t (pretty young thing), as well as the filming of ‘say say say’ and ‘thriller’ that prevented that from happening. the latter two also replaced the ‘peter pan’ movie that supposed to happen. many outlets including nelson george’s original book ‘the michael jackson story’, were already anticipating it. given the intended schedule for that year, I think that michael’s input in the jackson’s album was always going to be minimal.
it’s amazing to think of the alternative possible outcomes of that magical year